Saturday, June 14, 2008

Input Methods for Typing Characters and Pinyin

Windows System


[top]Default MS Pinyin IME 3.0


All Windows computers come with the capability for this, however, you may have to install it. To do this on Windows XP, follow these steps:

Go to the Start Menu, and click on Control Panel. If it's not there, it should be under Settings.

In the Control Panel Window, if it says "Pick a Category" in big letters, then click on 'Date, Time, Language and Regional Settings', then click on 'Regional and Language Options'.

If it does not show this, then click on 'Regional and Language Options'.

You should now have a dialog box that says 'Regional and Language Options' at the top, with three tabs - 'Regional Options', Languages and Advanced.

Click on the 'Languages' tab.

There should be an area down towards the bottom of the dialog box that says 'Supplemental language support'. If the 'Install files for East Asian Languages' box does not have a tick in it, select it, and click the 'apply' button in the lower right hand corner. This may require you to insert your Windows XP CD.

Once that's done, click on the 'Details' button, which is in the same dialog box.

That should bring up a new dialog box called 'Text Services and Input Languages'.

From here, click on the 'Add' button on the right hand side of the list, where the list will display whatever language + keyboard combination you are currently using.

You should now see yet another dialog box called 'Add Input Language'.

Click on the box which is not greyed out and currently shows a language (Mine shows English New Zealand, as that's the language of my operating system). Select Chinese (PRC).

This will automatically select Microsoft Pinyin IME 3.0. Select OK.

That will close the dialog box. Select apply. You should now see the language bar somewhere on your screen, in all likelihood, down in the bottom right hand corner, near the taskbar, or in the upper right hand corner of the screen. It will be a simple blue bar, which should have the letters 'EN' on it. It may also appear in the taskbar.

When you have found the language bar, open a new document somewhere (e.g. start -> run -> notepad) and select the EN on the language bar. Click on Chinese PRC. Congratulations! You can now type Chinese on your computer!

If any of the instructions above do not work, then please post on the forums and ask for help.

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Follow the following steps to get Wubizixing working under Windows XP:
  • Download the ime_gen.zip and wubi.zip files attached to this thread. (NOTE: wubi.zip is currently not attached due to being too large).
  • Copy the contents the directory 'ImeGen5' to C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32 (assuming C:\ is where Windows is installed to)
  • Copy the .MB file for the method to C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32
  • Check that there is no .IME file with the same name as the one you want. If so, erase it.
  • Launch the program IMEGEN.EXE
  • Go to the second tab. Click on the (O) button at the top.
  • Select the .MB file for the desired IME.
  • Click on the bottom button (R), and a .TXT file is created
  • Go to the first tab. Click on the (W) button at the top. Select the .TXT file which was created during the previous step.
  • Click on the third button (C) from the bottom, and a box will open.
  • Click on the first button (K) at the bottom.
  • A box opens speaking about BITMAPs. Click OK
  • A box opens speaking about ICONs. Click OK
  • Answer yes to the final question to install the new IME.
  • Finished! A new IME is available in the list at the icon at the bottom right in the taskbar.

[top]Google's Pinyin Input


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[top]Mac System[2]


[top]QIM


QIM is for use on all Macintosh Systems running OS X. It can input both Simplified and Traditional Characters and switching between Simplified, Traditional, and Romanization is as simple as pushing one or two keys.
中文站
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[top]OpenVanilla


OpenVanilla is a text entry (input method) platform and a collection of popular input methods and text processing filters. It is designed to offer a better text entry experience and alternative input methods that are not found in Apple’s built-in set and better suit the needs of Windows “switchers.”

[top]Biaoyin and Biauyin


Biaoyin is a pinyin input for Simplified Characters and Biauyin is for Traditional Character input. These plug-ins to your pre-existing Input methods on Macintosh will allow you to type Pinyin with the tone marks. All you have to do is type in the pinyin with the tone (designated by a number) and it does the rest.
Both Plug-ins are available here

[top]Fun Input Toy, FIT


Fun Input Toy(FIT) is a neat open source Chinese input method, which is able to save you some bucks but still provide as many features as QIM under Macintosh OS. Fun Input Toy comes with pinyin, double pinyin, and wu bi xing styles of input.

[top]Linux System



[top]Smart Common Input Method, SCIM


SCIM is a general input method for UNIX-like systems, which has a good smart-pinyin based Chinese input method (traditional and simplified). It is integrated in many modern distributions and works with all modern GTK and KDE/Qt-based applications.

Wednesday, June 11, 2008

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Brilliant, I now realise (after seeing the earlier birthday topic) that I actually remembered
wrong and the forums were created on the 24th

Haha.. well, Happy Birthday! Take 2 :-)

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My mother language is spanish , I´ve been studying japanese for 2 years , chinene for 1 and
korean for a few months , I´m fluent in english =)

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Persian, English, Arabic, a little bit German and now I can claim some Chinese

Jikolp -

Hungarian - native!
English - Advanced
Spanish, French, German - Upper-intermediate or Intermediate
Slovak, Czech - around upper intermediate with sharp passive skills
Russian - lower-intermediate
Latin- able to translate
Japanese - getting near 3 kyuu
Mandarin - beginner!

crazy-meiguoren -

English (native speaker)

Some German in high school, most of it is lost although at my peak I could understand what the
teacher was saying.

Beginning Mandarin.

I would like to learn French. I bought a set of instruction tapes once but did not follow through
on it. That was quite a few years ago.

I would also like to learn a Native American language, preferably Salish, which is the language of
the tribes in the Pacific Northwest.

I had cancelled a trip to Boonville, CA, because Berlitz does not offer courses in Boontling. lol
(There really is such a language!)

hanwairen -

English (speaking for the last 35 years)
Cantonese (born with it)
Mandarin (Madarin Chinese elementary school)
Vietnamese & French (secondary & high school)
German (4 years during high school)
Japanese (1 semester at work but hated it)
Can communicate with my gardener in broken Spanish
C, Assembly, Verilog and VHDL languages.

kisha -

Filipino/Tagalog - mother tongue
English - advanced
Mandarin - learned it from elementary to high school (but now nearing it's extinction)
French - learned it 6months (but lost it all)

baoluo -

English
'n Bietjie Afrikaans. But rusty.
Half a year's worth of Vietnamese, but I want to learn more.
And 3 years of Mandarin.

Hofmann -

Cantonese is my mother tongue.
I learned English because I was raised in the U.S., going to school, talking to people, etc.
I learned Mandarin from talking to people and studying by myself.
I learned French in middle school and high school.
I learned a bit of German and Japanese by cramming for a few days.
I can read a bit of Vietnamese if it's written in Chữ Nôm. (can't speak a single syllable of
it; I pronounce the Chữ Nôm in Cantonese.)

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Have a look at the following paragraph. I came across in some Chinese article. It is really
difficult for me to understand this paragraph. Can anyone please tranlsate it into English so I
can understand it easily.

"而在那些沧海桑田都已物是人非之后,刘海波似乎学会了将伤痛内敛,将感
情沉淀在心中,然后仿佛是在不经意中自如地挥洒出那么只言片语,然后轻�
��地触摸到我们心中最容易感受到温暖和舒适的地方,这就是《大使在飞》�
�"

Thanks

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Quote:

"而在那些沧海桑田都已物是人非之后,刘海波似乎学会了将伤痛内敛,将感
情沉淀在心中,然后仿佛是在不经意中自如地挥洒出那么只言片语,然后轻�
��地触摸到我们心中最容易感受到温暖和舒适的地方,这就是《大使在飞》�
�"

It seems to be another piling up of big words. Can't translate them exactly.
The main line is:

After dramastic great changes, Liu Haibo seems to have learnt how to restain the rounds inward and
precipitate the feelings in heart, and then, as if casually, made out a few words freely and then
easily touched the place in our heart where it feels the wormth and comfort easiest, that is "The
Ambassador in Flight ".

cathy2321 -

let me try: Hence things changing people leaving,刘海波seems have learned to harbour the
sorrow and bury the feeling deep in heart. Then,incidentally, words spilled out,directly
touching about the place where the heart is most vulnerable to warmth and comfort—— that is
《angel flying》.
(personal opinion:大使在飞is a typing error of 天使在飞)

monto -

Yes, just like this

No changes one can experence in life could be described by 成语 "沧海桑田" (Once a blue sea
became a mulberry field today)

calibre2001 -

Wow, that's a difficult text for me. How would you guys rate its difficulty level? Seems like an
equivalent of a pretty flowery text in english.

cathy2321 -

Exactly.
That's a pretty literary one,not that easy to translate word by word.
Infact,I have to admit my version reduced some glamor of the original text.
There are several idioms need to note: 沧海桑田、物是人非、只言片语
They are useful and quite expressive phrases.
Remembering them will do you a lot of good.
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roddy had posted a link to a website with scanned Chinese textbooks grades 1-6. Search the forums.

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rob07 -

After working through a couple of beginners level books (which got me to about 800 characters), I
felt that if I read one more passage in which the inherent superiority of Chinese culture dawned
on a couple of ignorant foreign friends, I would tear off my own head and eat it.

So I stopped learning for a while but eventually bit the bullet and rote memorised the remaining
characters on the 2000 list so I could go straight to reading worthwhile material. I was learning
Chinese in order to read novels so I wasn't that interested in learning how to express myself
grammatically. Once I had learnt the 2000, because I was missing the grammatical/contextual base,
I still found reading hard so I needed to go back to the textbooks to read the passages and
example sentences. Because I knew all the characters I was then able to skim through another four
levels of textbook in a couple of months. By that point I was ready to start reading novels. My
first was 一座城池 by 韩寒.

I don't know if that was a particularly efficient way to learn, but it seems to have worked OK. I
voted yes, because if I had had to spend any longer with the textbooks, I doubt I would have
survived.

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For me I would definitely say yes. But perhaps that is just my engineering sort of temperament.
For myself though, learning characters when I started learning Chinese was not particularly
efficient. It was more enjoyable to learn pinyin first and then when I became conversational to
start learning characters.

I applied the same systematic approach to learning both pinyin and then characters... learning
syllable/radicals and then building up and learning more complex characters. In addition, applying
memory association techniques as well even made words sink in more quickly. Of course this must be
combined with conversation/reading appropriate to your level. It is never good in isolation.

Like Imcgraw, I come from an engineering background, so maybe it is in our nature. Also similarly,
I've worked on a website to make this easier for myself. Originally I used sites like
www.zhongwen.com for memory associations combined with my own implimentation of the Leitner card
system as implimented by the Mnemosyne and Anki apps, but in the end, i found it more effective to
have these combined together in one location.

renzhe -

Quote:

I think that the "lack of reading material" at an appropriate level doesn't apply after about one
year of study, if you are willing to invest in a decent handwriting recognition dictionary. There
are 45 books of Doraemon (not to mention a spin off series). With the aid of the pen-input
dictionary, you can quickly get to a stage where you could understand and enjoy the stories
without it (if you had to).

I've stocked up on Doraemon. I love it!

Don't need a dictionary at all, so it's some easy reading from time to time to keep my reading
skill fresh. Thanks for the tip.

yersi -

In my experience, isolated character study (as in looking up a character in the dictionary,
learning all the different definitions and pronunciations) is useless except for classical Chinese

Rote memorization of words, however, is an absolute necessity. I found the best way is to learn
the characters through words, not the other way around.

lilongyue -

I voted no because in modern Chinese most words are made up a two characters. A fact often bandied
around foreigners learning Chinese is how learning "X" number of characters is required to read a
newspaper, etc. What usually isn't mentioned is that besides needing to know all those characters,
one needs to know what that character means in combination with hundreds of other characters, as
meaning can and does change. If you look at it this way, learning 2,000 characters, which seems
overwhelming at first, is quickly dwarfed by learning an actual vocabulary whose number is
something like 2,000 to the power of 5 or 6, taking into account all the words that contain a
character. I personally would find it more informative to include numbers of words needed to read
a Chinese newspaper, for example, as well as number of characters.

Before I started studying Chinese in school, when I was just studying by myself, I found the fact
that each character has a meaning really confusing. There are many characters with the same
meaning, but not all are used to make a word that has that meaning, Some are also more "literary"
in nature, not used in 口语, some are rarely used or not used at all anymore, other characters
having taken over the job.

imron -

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is quickly dwarfed by learning an actual vocabulary whose number is something like 2,000 to the
power of 5 or 6

I agree with what you say about learning words, however I have a slight problem with your maths!
2,000 to the power of 5 is: 32,000,000,000,000,000, and 2,000 to the power of 6 is
64,000,000,000,000,000,000. I think we can all be thankful that there aren't this many words in
the Chinese language

renzhe -

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If you look at it this way, learning 2,000 characters, which seems overwhelming at first, is
quickly dwarfed by learning an actual vocabulary whose number is something like 2,000 to the power
of 5 or 6, taking into account all the words that contain a character. I personally would find it
more informative to include numbers of words needed to read a Chinese newspaper, for example, as
well as number of characters.

The HSK Advanced test (an extremely challenging test to say the least) uses about 3000 characters
and 10,000 words, so the relationship between words and characters is not as extreme as you say.
If you pass the HSK with grade 11, you should be able to comfortable read most papers.

Besides, some people find word study infinitely easier than character study -- once you know the
characters. If you know the meaning of the characters involved, it is often (though not always,
not by a long shot) easy to remember the meaning of the word.

The "Know xxxx characters to read yyy" thing only works for native speakers who are fluent in the
language. Obviously characters alone will get you nowhere, and nobody is advocating NOT learning
words.

lilongyue -

Quote:

I have a slight problem with your maths! 2,000 to the power of 5 is: 32,000,000,000,000,000, and
2,000 to the power of 6 is 64,000,000,000,000,000,000.

It's hyperbole, dear Watson!

Quote:

the relationship between words and characters is not as extreme as you say

I find a tripling (and then a bit more) of characters to words a rather large ratio, but I guess
that's just me.

renzhe -

I think everyone agrees that many beginners get hung up on "how many characters till I can read
so-and-so" and misunderstand the concept of 词.

But learning thousands of words is the same in any language. 10,000 words to read a book is not a
big deal -- you have to learn that for Spanish, Greek, Russian, or any other language, at least
that order of magnitude.

The main difference is that you can learn the Roman, Greek or Cyrillic alphabet in about 1 hour,
and the rest goes into learning words and you can learn the Chinese writing system in about 5
years and the rest goes into learning words.

Which is why people learn characters by rote.

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Learn to speak Chinese - ECpod: online learning - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Learning Chinese > Speaking and Listening

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About ECpod.com: ECpod.com (http://www.ECpod.com) is a free website for
members to make friends and to learn English and Chinese by videos. ECpod
stands for "English Chinese Podcast" where our website's video clips are
"Video Podcasted" by our members. While ECpod began as an
English-and-Mandarin-only website, by popular demand ECpod now accept
clips in other Chinese dialects as well (for eg: Cantonese, Hakka, Hokkien
and etc). We realized cultural exchange wouldn't be complete without the
inclusion of a rich variety of Chinese dialects which tend to be
characteristic of different parts of Chinese populated-areas. Furthermore,
some dialects will be extinct within one or two generations. Preservation
of Chinese culture and history is nothing if it does not also preserve the
dialects spoken by some of the ancient families of yore.

It's a REALLY REALLY good site....

Heres an article from there site

"When in Rome, why not let the Romans teach you?

"When in Rome, why not let the Romans teach you?

In Huangshan (黄山), southern Anhui province in Eastern China, Fu Shou-Bing
logs on to the computer in the public library near his village. Since
discovering ECpod.com, the retired High School Chemistry teacher has been
logging on almost every day to the English-Chinese teaching website.
Sometimes he cycles the 25 miles home, cooks himself a simple lunch of
rice and stir-fried vegetables with salted fish, often returning once
again to the library and his new hobby in the evening.

ECpod.com boasts an educational website that teaches members
conversational English or Chinese (no "this is an apple" stuff here) via
video clips contributed by other members. After a vetting and often
transcribing process by language tutors commissioned by the site, the
clips are available free of charge in YouTube fashion. The twist? Members
film each other in everyday activities, hoping other members will learn
not just their native tongue, but also cultural innuendos lost in
textbooks and more conventional means of language learning.

"One member filmed himself cooking in his kitchen. We got a few emails
asking what condiments he used," says a bemused Warwick Hau, one of the
site's more public faces. One emailer even wanted to know if she could
achieve the same Chinese stir-fry using ingredients from her regular CR
Vanguard (华润超级) supermarket. "We often forget our every day activities may
not be as mundane to people on the other side of the world," Hau adds.
Another such clip is "loaches" - a Chinese mother of 3 filmed her children
and their friends playing with a bucket of loaches - slippery eel-like
fish the children were picking up and gently squeezing.

Lately the members have also begun to make cross-border friends and
contacts. The ECpal function works much the same way sites like
Facebook.com and MySpace.com work – members can invite each other to view
their clips and make friends. And it has its fair share of juvenile humor
as well. “Farting Competition” features two teenagers and graphic sound
effects. Within a week, the clip had 569 hits and was one of the most
popular videos of the week, likely due to mass-forwarding by the
participants’ schoolmates.

For other members keen to learn more than the fact juvenile humor is
similar everywhere, there are many home videos featuring unlikely little
nuggets of wisdom. “The last thing I learned from the site is why you’ll
never find green caps for sale in China,” says Adam Schiedler one of the
English language contributors to the site. Green caps signify cuckolded
husbands, particularly shameful in China as they are a huge loss of face.
Adam vows not to buy any green headgear for his newfound friends.

The subject matter of the videos often speaks volumes about its
contributors. Members choose their own content and film the clip wherever
they please, some of their efforts drawing attention to rural surroundings
and the quaint insides of little homes otherwise not seen unless you
backpack your way thru the tiny dirt roads and villages along the Chinese
countryside."

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Thursday, June 5, 2008

Chinese School - Difference between these versions of a book? - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Chinese Culture > Art and Literature

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I'm not the type who can read stuff online or on a pda, so I'm looking for a book to slowly read
over a year or two. For some reason I feel more comfortable with a book in hand that I can mark up
with a pencil and flip through while on the bus. I found one that interests me (I'll planning to
read the English version as well) and I found a bookstore on the internet that apparently ships
overseas from Taiwan. However, they have two versions of the book:

古都 (精)
古都

They both seem to be published in the same year, but I can't really tell what the difference is
other than the price What does 精 mean beside a book title? My Chinese is not that good yet (but
I'm going to try to read a book, I must be crazy!) and the online Chinese dictionaries have not
been of much help.

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What does 精 mean beside a book title?

It means 精裝 (hardcover), as opposed to 平裝 (paperback).

DrWatson -

Thank you!!!

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Speak Chinese - Indo-european langauges bought the golden age to Chinese poem - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Chinese Culture > Chinese History

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zozzen -

No one would deny that Tang Dynasty was the golden age for Chinese poem, but one would be
wondering how Chinese used characters, without pinyin at that time, to build a comprehensive
knowledge about rhyme. But today i got an interesting answer.

According to 許倬雲, a renowned Chinese historian, the development of the Tang Poem was
coincident with the boom of Buddhism in India. Hundreds of Buddhism classics were bought into
China, along with the knowledge of Indo-European languages. Inspired by the way that ancient
Indian wrote their language, Chinese found a way "反切" to indicate a sound of Chinese
characters with two other characters. This was done for easing the translation of Devanagari books
at first, but 反切 also marked the milestone for Chinese study on rhythm and made a foundation
for the Tang-style Poem.

That's a surprise to me personally. I know the Chinese traditional music and mandarin were deeply
influenced by non-Han tribes, but never had an idea that the ancient Tang Poem was also closely
related to non-Han culture. Possibly it's a good and interesting challenge for Han-ism.

P.S. the book is called "萬古江河" (recently published) and it's absolutely Dr. Xu's ambitious
attempt for covering most Chinese culture. I take it as one of the greatest books I've read in the
past 5 years, and hope you like it too.

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one would be wondering how Chinese used characters, without pinyin at that time, to build a
comprehensive knowledge about rhyme.

That's indeed an interesting theory, and it sounds plausible to me, but not convincing enough.

To answer the question above, they had some sort of reference books "Book of Rhyme". But obviously
they didn't have to rely on these books to write poems. The discover of four tones 四声和平仄
was during Qi and Liang. Then poets established 格律.

I think the introduction of foreign language might have helped Chinese language's development. But
in this case, I can't see how they could help the discover of tones, which I suppose Indian
language doesn't have?

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Wednesday, June 4, 2008

Chinese School - All these dialects!! Will I survive? - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Learning Chinese > Non-Mandarin Chinese

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Hello everyone, I am learning the standard mandarin known as Putonghua....

But the problem is, theres a different dialect, I was wondering if Shenzhen and Shanghai spoke
Putonghua more?

Also, what is the difference between Chengduhua and Nanjinghua?

Any other answers about dialects are appreciated, thank you!

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gougou -

Did you try searching? Or just browsing this "Non-Mandarin Chinese" forum, you should be able to
find plenty of relevant posts. This, for example, is still on the first page.

muddy -

easily speaking,mandarin can use everywhere,dialect is just used in certain areas.

the main differences of different dialects is their pronounce and slang.

asheh -

it really depends why you need each dialect. Speaking Mandarin will usually suffice anywhere in
China and now more and more overseas. It used to be mostly Cantonese abroad.

If you plan to stay in one region, you might want to learn the dialect but once you are outside,
it is safer to speak Mandarin. Over than that, u won't use the dialect much.... unless u marry
someone from a region and want to speak to the family directly

zozzen -

If you only take it as a communication tool, then mandarin is always good everywhere in China. But
learning dialects is of big benefit.

When i go back to China, I'm always surprised about the popularity of standard putonghua. It's
been promoted for a few decades, but no matter you're in Shenzhen, Henan, Hainan, Yunnan, Sichuan,
Guangzhou or Hanzhou, you'll always hear a mutated mandarin with a variation of heavy accents,
weird tones and regional vocab.

When I was in Wubei, some of my friends who speak better putonghua than me often can't understand
local "putonghua", but it's amazing that i can always "translate" it. Not because i can speak
Wunanese, but because i can speak Cantonese and I share hundreds of common spoken "putonghua"
mistakes with them.

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Learn Mandarin online - 本是同根生,相煎何太急 - Page 2 - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Learning Chinese > Reading and Writing

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Here, but this is suppose to be a serious story:

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is the stuff at the bottom the "豆萁“? the bean stalks?

So, Cao Zhi = beans cooking in pot
and Cao Pi = bean stalks fueling the fire?

Thanks for the picture. It really helps me visualize.

Tom Higgins -

Quote:

So, Cao Zhi = beans cooking in pot
and Cao Pi = bean stalks fueling the fire?

That's right!

82riceballs -

YEAH!! THANKS GUYS!!!

johnLi -

一直: 直means straight, while 一 means one, its picture also shows straight,
So altogether the phrase means straight, continuously, never changed...

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Tuesday, June 3, 2008

Chinese Class - Help translate and figure out a pattern - Page 2 - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Learning Chinese > Reading and Writing

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Perhaps it works like the English "ONE Mississippi, TWO Mississippi, THREE Mississippi...."? Just
a guess

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Chinese Mandarin - "How to" for sound files - From Beijing Chinese School.com > Learning Chinese > Speaking and Listening

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Utilising free online resources.
Use stuff you may already have as a "gadget"

You can use Skype to build vocal resources. There are a bunch of third party addons that allow you
to record. ( powergramo etc) . You can then edit the sound files to tidy them up (audacity etc).
You can then upload files to a hosting area (eg your google account). You then put a link to the
file on your webpage (eg google page creator).

You can do all this for free. Saves simple monoglots like me having to struggle with the
complicated transliterations etc. Ideally sound from a native speaker. I have collected native
vocals for the greek page on my site.
http://smarthearts.info/index.php?op...id=27&Itemid=2

I am collecting text. transliterations. Sounds by native speakers etc for my site. If you want to
help me i would be delighted. Would be fun and useful to get native voices from around the world.
Do this yourself and /or help me.
Cheers.

PS my skype name is veitch57

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Monday, June 2, 2008

Chinese Lesson - From Beijing Chinese School - View Single Post - Guide to Shanghai (上海)

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[top]Food

* 小杨生煎(陕西北路店), 静安区陕西北路678号(武定路口) (great for 生煎包
  - grilled pork buns, which are little buns, grilled like potstickers)
* 绿波廊(豫园路店), inside 豫园, near the lilypad lake, a great place to enjoy some
  Shanghainese dimsum (one of the few good restaurants in 豫园).
* 杨家厨房, 衡山路9弄3号近乌鲁木齐路, 地铁1号线衡山路站 (good
  Shanghainese food inside a two-story French concession-era house)
* 老正兴菜馆(福州路店), 黄浦区福州路556号(近浙江中路), (great reputation
  for Shanghainese food)
* 上海老饭店, 黄浦区福佑路242号豫园(近旧校场路) (old-time Shanghai restaurant)
* Whisk Cafe, 淮海中路1250号 (近常熟路地铁站) (great pasta and hot chocolate)
* La Gondola, 河南中路16号近延安路, 地铁2号线南京东路站 (great pasta and
  desert)
* Baan Thai, 复兴中路1479号近淮海路 (good Thai food inside a lovely garden)
* Thai House, 武定路657弄12号205室近西康路 (simple decor, good food)

[top]Night Spots

* Club JZ, 复兴西路46号近永福路,地铁1号线,常熟路站 (great jazz shows,
  starts at 9:30-10, get a pint of Carlsburg and order 拌馄饨 (spicy wonton without soup); JZ
  All-Star Big Band every Saturday is a must see; need to arrive early as it gets very crowded
* House of Blues and Jazz, 茂名南路158号近复兴中路, 地铁1号线黄陂南路站
  (another great spot to enjoy some bluesy jazz)
* Face bar, 瑞金二路118号 inside Ruijin Hotel complex, 4号楼近永嘉路,
  地铁1号线陕西南路站 (lots of outdoor seating inside a beautiful garden)

[top]Bookstores

* Dragon Books (龙强书店), inside 龙之梦购物中心, 8th and 9th floor
  (长宁区长宁路, near 凯旋路) (very big selection of general Chinese books, similar to
  上海书城 on Fuzhou Road, but Dragon Books is much less crowded).
* 上海书城(长宁店), on 长宁路 across the street from 龙之梦 shopping center;
  combined with Dragon Books inside 龙之梦, this area is an even better place to shop for
  Chinese books than Fuzhou Road near People's Square, as it's less crowded (very few tourists).
* 季风书园(陕西店), inside the Shaanxi Road subway station (great selection of more
  academic and literary books)
* Penguin Books (企鹅书店), 徐汇区天钥桥路869号上海体育场旁 (great reputation
  among Shanghai's literati)

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